Of course I won't buy this 6DII. Our ISO Invariance test uses the same exposure shot at different ISO settings, such that the shot noise contribution is the same in each image. Canon EOS 6D Mark II Nikon Z6 85. Again not trying to convince anybody I'm just stating that I'm one of those who will be happy getting the new Canon body to match my 13 Canon lenses. Thanks, will take a look. The 6D is designed for a different purpose. DR is better than megapixels. Need a break from your day? I would agree with mg_k. Every sensors have a better data into the light than into the dark. 82 . Here you will find my high ISO test and push 5Ev. I let you decide which word describes best this attitude... No hate but 6D mark II is allround camera with good ( no only good :) ) Dynamic range. The button on this page shows people liking this story using their Facebook login, whereas the lower number is the number of people who like the Facebook post about this story. Exactly. Now you just need them much more seldom. With a full-production review unit in our hands, we've got over 100 production samples from the new Canon EOS 6D Mark II to share. Just stop making excuses for Canon, they well and truly deserves all the criticism in their decision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrnqe93OJIUI never shot 6EV underexpose then +6EV in post. Portrait (Color Depth) 23.8 bits. Shooting too dark it's not my style. Second time. Nikon's 2021 fiscal year might look grim on paper, but it seems the company is taking the steps required to stay sustainable in a shrinking market. I like Canon but for most of my work, I gravitate to Sony these days. Without raising the cost. Portrait photographers will love the shallow depth-of-field that the EOS 6D Mark II’s full-frame sensor delivers, and its ability to capture momentary expressions at 6.5 frames per second. Yes its about highlights too: therein lies the problem. The Tamron 17-70 F2.8 Di III-A VC RXD is a compact general-purpose lens for Sony's APS-C, E-mount mirrorless cameras. The video, uploaded by YouTuber Tech Buff PH, has since been made private, but in it, we get a glimpse at what appears to be an unreleased Xiaomi Mi 11 'Ultra' smartphone with a large, unique camera bump. (How critical is a touchscreen?). What's the best camera for travel? Kick back and watch the making of a somewhat unconventional mojito filmed on Canon's new EOS 6D Mark II. I have an Canon M3. In terms of Color Depth, the EOS-1Ds Mark III is at the top, with 24bits, but the EOS 6D is only fractionally behind on 23.8bits. I dunno, I try to be open minded when it comes to these types of 'evaluations' as more often than not I find my own real world experience much different than that of people who test camera's for a living. The Natural History Museum selected one winner and four finalists for the annual Wildlife Photographer of the Year's People's Choice Awards. What I would like to know, and nobody who has evaluated this camera has said anything about, is if Canon employs a heavy anti-aliasing filter to the sensor like they did with the 80D. More striking is the finding that the 6D Mark II performs worse than the APS-C 80D DSLR at lower ISOs. This 2017 camera disappoints for my use case. Should Canon not to do too? Similarly, Bill Claff has measured the engineering dynamic range of the 6D Mark II to be 11.1 EV at the pixel level, at 12.7 at ISO 160 for the 5D Mark IV (its highest dynamic range). This is not only about pushing shadows in post processing ...... the extreme noise already shows in dark areas of _properly_ exposed images. Our exposure latitude test shows what happens if you brighten a series of increasingly dark set of exposures. What is the reason, for buying such a lump of plastic and silicon, then. Steve: The difference is that Canon now have showed that they (finally!) It will definitely do the work and if you learn its limits then you can get a hell of photos out of it. But are the improvements enough to make you want one? Only the 5DSR is free from it. However, it still comes down to Canon's underwhelming ability to compete in other areas. Graphs plotted by regular DPR collaborator Bill Claff illustrate this pretty clearly. so exposing to the right let you obtaing much better images. They probably lost good sales of the 5D3 because of that and wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. Same goes forsensor tech. So how does it perform? The top specs and best of the best are all they can tolerate. This is just not fair from Canon. Adding to the problem is Canon's metering system, which tends to underexpose images when there's strong back-light. High resolution, weather-sealed bodies and wide dynamic range are all important. The 6D2 has no dual card slots, no flagship autofocus, and no 4K video. The camera is obsolete because it doesn't have the top spec is basically anything, yet sells for top spec pricing. Just for fun, we dusted off an old Nikon Micro-Nikkor 55mm F2.8 AI-S lens and slapped it on a Nikon Z7 and Z7 II to see what it's simple optical formula can do on a thoroughly modern full-frame camera. How could you save that particular dusk photo on 6dm2? However, the e-mount is the company's bread and butter. The scene would looks unnatural. Canon's inconsistency with sensor performance boggles the mind. The reports are that at 100 ISO the dynamic range of the cropped sensor 80D is better than the full frame sensor of the 6D Mark II at the base ISO. SamuelC: what the hell link is that? This just doesn't seem to be 2017 technology. It's clearly, that highlights clipped there. Canon executives have actually instructed their engineers to work night and day to improve base ISO DR, and to roll it out in any and every camera they can, but the engineers simply can't match Sony/Nikon DR. Last Friday, a pair of real estate photographers captured images near a park in San Francisco. In any case, the 6D II will take a lot of really great pictures for most users. I've been using Canon since the 20d and I shoot a lot ofvideo. _DSC6438-1 Sep2 flattened no stroke by Gloomy1. The 5D Mark IV shows significant improvements in exposure latitude thanks to its increased dynamic range. At least they have great lenses. When I got the 80D I was excited to FINALLY see an improvement on DR over all other canon cameras, I really had good hopes in to them FINALLY getting a nice FF with as much DR as the Sony sensors. A number of well regarded sites have been posting in-depth real world hands-on reviews with particular analysis of the Dynamic Range (DR) issue with clearly demonstrated post processing of images. I have eyes and And I have seen what she has done in DPP with 6D2 raw file. DCS 3c, DCS 520, D30, D60, 1Ds, 300D, 30D, 1000D IR, 7D, 6D, 6D, M5. And now you constantly avoid the topic. That's not inconsistency at all ! Still more expensive than an honest 2017 FF camera for those who don't need the pro one. 10 years ago you couldn't implement +6EV correction, but now you are welcome, but with right gear. Consider only complete and reliable facts before making a judgment or characterization. But obviously this is not the case. I also think it's supremely unlikely that Canon chose this chip with the aim of limiting DR: it's far more likely they decided to iterate on an existing design, concluding that people had seemed happy with it, previously. They could have given those things but then they would lose money because people would buy the D7500 and not the D500. Most Cameras do not produce a good ETTR exposure unless forced, and that compounds the problem because most cameras under-expose by at least 1EV. @ Scorehound: This may be true, who knows, but do you really think an enthusiast photographer would choose an articulating touchscreen over a modern image sensor? even in Canon line up. it is not possible. Not anymore. Let's say it how it is (or how canon seems to see it). We're used to seeing sensors that add so little noise$(document).ready(function() { $("#icl-3694--1065892121").click(function() { ImageComparisonWidgetLink(3694); }); }) that there's barely any visual difference between shooting at a high ISO and using a low ISO (retaining additional highlights) then brightening. The JPEGs out of the 6D II are lovely and most of the raws process just fine. It's been almost three years since we launched DPReview TV. But not for all, as it looks. If, when employing true ETTR you cannot get sufficient DR to raise the shadows to an acceptable level you have a problem. Thanks for the reply. I have 30 year old young-timer with carburetor along with direct injection car, so you've missed even in that comprasion. I am sure you will write different comments than if any. It's only one last comprasion that absent - to shoot identical high contrast scene with heavy bracketing. Enter 6dm2... well, hmm how to explain and not offend, hmmm...best would be if you spend more time with photography, after couple of years you will find other tnen poor technical characteristic and you will find then 50 or 100 years ago there ware great photographers too. Digi era is great, everyone is photographer. I know Canon sold loads of 5D Mk3 yet the dynamic range is almost the same as the 5D mk2 but I don't recall seeing so many upset folks online. The mistake Canon made back in 2012 was making the 6D's IQ as good as or better than the 5D3. So they gave users some of the D500's goods and stripped out others. The Sony Alpha 1 is Sony's flagship mirrorless camera for, well, just about anything. good to see someone who agrees that all (or most) cameras produce great pictures for their markets. Trolls used the article to unfairly bash the Canon brand and its users. Knowing about the deficits and outdated technology in the key component of the camera, the image pipeline, who would klick the buy button without having second thoughts? Full articulating screen, MP boost, better AF system, DPAF, touch screen, and presto. The AF layout and no thumb-controller decided me to go for a 5D, despite that it is 2x as expensive. I don't get it. All of our test results suggest I could have achieved just as good a result from a contemporary APS-C camera, if not better if it were also capable of properly detecting human subjects and exposing for them. It is not because you don't feel it that you're not being fooled.By the way, I already have a camera that has a mobile touchscreen, GPS, bluetooth, WiFi... it's my 200$ smartphone ! what if this kind of test is not correct? I bet you can't because the pole is blown, whereas the left image in 001.jpg has tons of details albeit underexposed. With that, we are also seeing a lot of sample images and sensor talk. (A la 5D and 5D2 autofocus--You want flagship AF on FF? Comment #1,500. It has the same sensor that the Canon 80D. Second: Are you still trying to tell the community now, that there are better results with - and that it is better to pay more money for - a camera, which not only needs longer exposures, but also has a far narrower histogram (by magnitudes) than the competitors? But that has nothing to do with physics and technology at all! Noisewise, the D750 at about +5EV looks about the same as 6DII at about +2 EV. There is nothing unnatural here, this photo is unusable, but it is even not started to look like HDR. @ Samuel CI'm so confused.... How's inferior dynamic range compared to other offerings a: "small part of the picture" on a brand new full frame 2000 dollars camera? They'll lose the pixel peepers who care more about dynamic range than photography. This is not about how "There's ppl out there taking better pictures with an iPhone than most ppl buying this camera ever will" or how "not everyone needs a better camera to take better pictures" we all know that! Here's a gallery of images they shot while testing the camera, straight from the frozen northlands. The A7II has IBIS, 1/8K MS, better low ISO DR but only does 5fps MS, has no 4K Video, no GPS, no BT no full articulating display, poor battery, does not have the DPAF, touch focus, etc. dominating sensor quality tests in recent years, keeping its best sensors for its own cameras, An Inspiring Look at the Life and Work of Photographer Zhang Jingna, Google Street View Now Lets You Tour the International Space Station, Oppo Develops Double-Sided Pop-Up Smartphone Camera, Sony’s Next Camera is the Cine/Alpha Hybrid FX3: Report, Beware the ‘Silhouette Challenge’: Creeps Are Removing the Red Filter. Maybe 5DIV sales are not as high as expected ...To cripple the 6D II sensorwise might be a way to "convince" potential buyers to purchase the (outside US too expensive) 5DIV. The Fujifilm GF 45-100mm F4 R LM OIS WR is a medium zoom for the GFX system of medium-format digital cameras. They shoot wonderful 4K. It seems to be the current still photography performance metric people are most passionate about when it comes to image sensors. So will the DR performance in low ISO itself influence this camera sell for the masses? Canon fans should not make excuses on Canon's behalf; doing so merely ensures that Canon engineers will be able to get away with ANOTHER generation of inferiority, next time. I am talking about using RAW Digger to find the optimum ETTR figure NOT the camera histogram. With the A7RII, you can use your Canon EF lenses with an adapter like the Metabones or Sigma MC-11. It has better DR than a 5D III and they sold a boatload of those and are still selling them. However the perceived "lack" or "absence" of DR by trolls is unfair and just wrong. How about canon fans? Personally I only use my 6D as a hobby and very happy with the images. abi, Sony already has a body that can use all Canon's EF lenses, (with an adapter). I've seen beautiful images taken with Canon Rebel cameras with good lenses and crappy images taken with the 5D IV. conclusion, you'd have to be a sucker to buy a canon in 2017. with 70 to 80% odd of Pro's using Canon methinx its you who's dreaming... 5D Mark IV and the 5DsR are still monster cameras in 2017. There's very little reason to get the 6D2. Which camera do you recommend me if I have canon lenses? That being said I think the fair price point for the 6D Mark III should be $1300. How you know the DR without checking the other end? If what you are saying is true then Canon provided them very wrong information. And now even Apple gives us access to raw. So for me and again just me this new camera is perfect. Much better can be done with these files. Chris and Jordan work in some pretty frigid conditions, so they've been using the G-Tech battery-powered hand warmer. And, you can easily get a Mustang for less than the Fusion (trim level dependant of course. wow, I sold my 6D to upgrade but the Mk II seems even worse in the noise department. This corroborates what Bill Claff's data suggests. Canon provided information that 6D mark II has wide DR making impression similar to 5D mark IV. However thanks to strong Canon claims I think there might be some very small probability that maybe firmware fix can improve DR. Rishi from DPR has clarified this....the low DR is caused by off-chip ADCs and therefore no firmware or update for fix it. He pitted the Galaxy against the Canon 1DX II, which has a 20.2MP sensor. And wow, over 10,000 people liked this article. Sure they will sell you an adapter for EF lenses but these lenses are two heavy for the M5 which is smaller than the Sony A7 mirrorless series. Canon will not collapse if they sell a few less 5D4's or 1DX2's. therefore i say spent the effort on photography not on such a useless comparison.. do not expect canon will put best sensor into entry level, or price on the level of lower models. It's well-built and is pretty compact, but it's still not quite perfect. It seems that the report by DPReview about what trolls take as a "lack" or an "absence" of dynamic range in the Canon 6D Mark II is MOSTLY noise. Der schwache Dynamikumfang ist nach wie vor das Thema Nummer 1, wenn es um die neue Canon EOS 6D Mark II geht. Venus Optics has brought two of its existing ultra-wide-angle lenses and two macro lenses to L mount camera systems. You really compare amateur FF with top pro-grade sport cameras? Can you tell the images apart? So there's not much point in staying with Canon unless you want the DSLR form factor. borax, Samuel C is a troll that throws all kinds of BS around and even questions DPR good faith motives and then, when you respond, he becomes condescending and puts words in your mouth. In fact you'll see zero "disadvantages" if you're not going bonkers in editing. Yet, they're two of the most popular enthusiast models available today. Dynamic range is important to some of us in some cases - but is not everything. So those figures are just wrong. Does Low ISO DR performance matters to the masses? this is not DR this is more noise test. By that same token, they could easily get 4K out of this camera with a simple firmware update. Nikon has plenty of drawbacks that I'll gladly tell people about if they ask, or if they pop up in the news. Despite this, the EOS 80D's$(document).ready(function() { $("#icl-3692--1019644042").click(function() { ImageComparisonWidgetLink(3692); }); }) images shot with the same exposures look cleaner, when brightened to the same degree. Canon brings that proven formula of the user experience. HAHAHA.. For now I will stick to sony, and hope that canon comes out with a mirror-less in a year. And as a customer, I don't like being fooled.For some people, Canon's strategy is good only because they will sell tons of a cheap camera to masses who only care about marketing speeches ? Only if you have absolutely no idea of how either of the chipsets work.... DR matters. They all give similar conclusions: 6D II matches 10 year old sensor like 6D, 5DII, 5DIII. here is an experiment made with my 6D and 24-70 f4, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33263939/ETTR/001.jpg, i take two picture of the same interesting subjet: one deliberating underexpose and one over expose, lighting the first images and darketing the second one have an huge difference:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33263939/ETTR/003.jpg, darketing let me get a very clear dark areas. They freaked out and screamed the sky is falling!! This is the way i shoot so this new 6DII "issue" would affect me at all. Nikon and Canon Japan both announce delays for upcoming DSLRs, Fujifilm X-E4 pre-production sample gallery, Tamron 17-70 F2.8 Di III-A VC RXD field review. Have a look! check this video from 7.30min there is DR test of video cameras. I could see it being a KILLER cinema camera if it had been the only full-frame camera to offer a fully articulated LCD and also 4K video, but without 4K video, it's just a full-frame camera with a flippy LCD, that's almost its only selling point. Our team at DPReview TV just finished their review of the new Sony a1. A more appropriate comparison would be the Ford Fusion vs the Mustang. Hey Guys. DPR should just pack it up close the site down and go home?...Didn't think so! And being engineer I know a thing or two about cars. Canon is sinking below and backwards! I hope nobody will buy this, but I already know I'm wrong. DR is not just the dark. And it is - just read the thread. You can use any contemporary crop camera from another company, such as Fuji, Nikon or Sony for much better results. If, 6 months down the road you see a beautiful image on Flickr taken with the 6D2, it was likely taken by someone who knew how to use the camera and knew how to make a good image, despite the camera's limitations. Everything else in the scene is within the camera's dynamic range and is cleaner because you've given it more light. I think mirrorless will eventually replace DSLR's when they evolve a bit more, and as the younger generation of photographers take over. Canon 6D vs 6D Mark II. Great for these people. Simply put, the D750 wins, and a D750 mk2 will definitely have 4K video, if that's what you want. It' a pity, that DPR staff didn't use couple of modern sensors in that scene. The 80D has much cleaner shadows at base ISO than the 7D Mark II, likely as a result of going to on-chip ADC architecture. "My iPhone has been shooting 4K video for years. It's not like the articulating touchscreen and modern sensor tech do exclude each other in any way. as I mentioned before, it's a consumers decision to buy a product, the choice is yours. Really? IMO enthusiasts spend that much money on cameras and lenses because theu want maximum image quality. In our latest buying guide we've selected some cameras that might be a bit older but still offer a lot of bang for the buck. Panasonic gives you a the GX85 including a kit lens for $498, and that shoots 4K 60fps and has 5-axis IBIS!!! I have downloaded the iso 100 imaging resource files other still life studio scene of the 5d2, 5d3, 5d4 and 6d2. For example both at 6400... the 6DII to me looks better. I regret selling. In the end most people won't notice it in practice. If you don't know I am happy to explain. Good travel cameras should be small, versatile, and offer good image quality. If you're referring to the example from privatebydesign on Canon rumours, then it's just a pretty awful example of what can be done with the 6DII files. So it seems the measurements are a bit different? DSLR is pretty much at a standstill right now because they refuse to implement new technology and features. http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=33072.360. 82. If only there was a 16-35 F4L equivalent for K-Mount... Richard,Would it be possible to add phone cameras to the comparison tool? It just so happens that the 6D2's failure in dynamic range is a colossal one. Some like to shoot at thery hight iso and it seems 6DII is better than 6D and aligned with other cameras. They no longer make the better camera and the D850 will push them much farther ahead... More wide dynamic range at creating a photo ( in raw ) It means: for PP man need less with highlights/shadows or exposure working.. It's equivalent focal length of roughly 36-80mm may not be all that familiar these days, but it makes for a nice walk-around lens for landscapes and portraits alike. That means that backlit shots will be underexposed (unless you intervene), and you'll have limited ability to recover these underexposed shots because of the sensor's poor performance. Because it is so much better in peep-sounds and weddings than a hi-fi system? Gotta spend $8K!). The best high-end camera costing more than $2000 should have plenty of resolution, exceptional build quality, good 4K video capture and top-notch autofocus for advanced and professional users. I thought I speak with photographers not development engineers. For free!". I have researched the Nikon 750 and even though it is several years old it has better dynamic range than either 6D model ( it has a Sony sensor) plus two SD recording slots plus it has a pop up flash. I'm serious. Canon's 'entry level' full frame EOS 6D Mark II improves upon its predecessor in terms of resolution, autofocus performance, burst shooting speed, video shooting and even battery life. Im thinking in spending £2,000.00 or less if possible. I switched to sony 1 year ago to the A7II, because I just couldn't bring myself to spend the cash on a 6D (considering its age) and I couldn't estimate when the mark II would come out. Instead we see that you have to amplify to around ISO 3200$(document).ready(function() { $("#icl-3695--808510428").click(function() { ImageComparisonWidgetLink(3695); }); }) before you see no additional impact from the camera's electronics. The Sony a7 III and Fujifilm X-T4 aren't cameras we would normally compare head-to-head. Today's gear disputes are ridiculous. We are talking here about one strictly technical aspect of photography are we? Nobody! Find out why they think it's a useful accessory for cold weather photographers. So where exactly is the target group? This article shows 10k likes, but when I went to your Facebook page, the article discussing this had about 450 likes. Sadly though, it seems the benefits that appeared in the sensors used in the EOS 80D and EOS 5D IV have not been applied to the latest EOS 6D II, and the new camera has less dynamic range than we've become used to. Canon is the stodgiest camera company in the world. Anyway i linked here the cameraw simple edit that prove i didn't loose anything into the hightlight:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33263939/ETTR/004.png. If you're only interested in 4-bit ringtones, but not a sinfonia, why a FF-camera then? The image below shows the black area to the left and at the top. Canon refuses to provide this information. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1243845-REG/panasonic_dmc_gx85kk_dmc_gx85_mirrorless_micro_four.html. Knowing that all sensors here are 14 bit at most - there is minimal probability that one of them would be any better in highlights. The 6D mark 1 was a camera and performed well in low light and yielded more than good enough IQ. It's turf war. Relive some of our favorite episodes and support our subscriber challenge: help us reach 300,000 subscribers by Valentine's Day and give Jordan a special challenge of his own. Canon releasing cameras of the past...in the future. Its simple: they want you to buy a 5D4. Maybe the camera with the most useful price to features ratio has already been released and all the fanboys should just stop wasting time here. We're talking about a main spec that is for years common on many other cameras like APSc one ! So you're buying the fastest lenses and a 'lowlight queen' (maybe just a hotpixel and fixed pattern noise b****), just for the need to exposure more than twice as much, as with a three year old Sony APS-C or Nikon DX camera....and then your lights are still blown, cause missing DR can't be simulated afterwards. I recently bought the MC-11 & a Sigma Canon EF-mount 24-105 lens - works great. Die Canon EOS 6D Mark II setzt den Fokus eben aufs Fotografieren. Now I just have my iPhone. Have a look and you'll see the difference is around 1EV$(document).ready(function() { $("#icl-3693--487818319").click(function() { ImageComparisonWidgetLink(3693); }); }), despite the head start that the 6D II's chip should have. For $1300 new that would be interesting, otherwise I still think there are better options (not only from Nikon). It means more wider dynamic range.. I was hoping that the 6DII would be the camera that would have me switch back to canon. We all own the original 6D, and all wanted to pre-order the 6D II. People are reading too much into it. There are older cameras out there, which are cheaper, which have more functions and speed, which have more line pairs/pixels/leaves/details, which have more DR/IQ and less noise? Gear from yesteryear: What does a 40-year-old lens look like at 46 Megapixels? I think that, considering the strong light that was present in the shot the camera held itself rather well. Nobody expected this. Simple as that. This is absolutely hilarious. 2.) What has one to do with another? I put my money were my mouth is. I'm a photographer and a customer.As a photographer, when I buy a 2000$ camera, I want one with fundamental capabilities (and DR is one of the main ones) on par with the competition, not on par with 10 years old cameras. Canon 6D Mark II dynamic range falls behind modern APS-C cameras, Bill Claff illustrate this pretty clearly, http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-performance-image-quality-verdict, http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%201DX%20Mark%20II,Canon%20EOS%205DS%20R, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrnqe93OJIU, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33263939/ETTR/003.jpg, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33263939/ETTR/004.png.

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